# D&D Discussion

**URL:** https://cog.discourse.group/t/d-d-discussion/1587
**Category:** gaming
**Created:** [December 3, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://cog.discourse.group/t/d-d-discussion/1587 "2018-12-03T16:39:01Z")
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### Author: ![Woodman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/cog.discourse.group/woodman/32/24_2.png) [@Woodman](https://cog.discourse.group/u/Woodman)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://cog.discourse.group/t/d-d-discussion/1587/12 "2018-12-05T20:07:19Z")

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> [@What Made You Happy Today?](https://cog.discourse.group/t/what-made-you-happy-today/490/2973):
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> 5e Bards are awesome: They’re “full casters” (same spell slot progression as a Wizard) but get different special abilities (The Wizard gets to sit down for an hour and regain a few spell slots; the Bard gets to inspire everyone to be awesome) with subclasses that can focus on various specialties like Lore (knowing stuff… Even spells from other classes), Valor (kind of a swashbuckler archetype) or even Glamour (you’re the prettiest one. Or else.)

Funny, I feel the exact opposite. The bard as a strong support character is dead in 5e. Instead of giving everyone +1 here’s an additional d6, who knows what they did to give me that d6, but here it is.

And their spells known is more like a sorcerer than a wizard. Limited in the spells they can learn.

I dunno, it feels nerfed and kinda useless to me. We have a bard in the party, and besides being a Kenku he doesn’t really do much. Granted most of them aren’t beyond “I hit the monster” anyway.

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