Another Gun Free Zone that isn't

Well, it covered up the one in Turkey, but besides that I really haven’t been paying attention.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/denver-cops-denounce-students-hate-art-depicting-officer-as-gun-wielding-kkk-member/

Yes, because it’s defamatory, tasteless, and without any respect for facts.

I could not believe what I was seeing.

I agree with you about the “art”.
I think the artist has every right to paint the piece - freedom of speech and all that. But there is no obligation for the school to hang the painting up - and I actually think they have an obligation not to, given the content. I can hear the cries of “censorship” now, but frankly, I don’t give a damn.

Two in Turkey actually. I had to hunt to find mention of them.

2000 dead in Baga? And not a peep? What the hell?

NPR had an article talking g about everything in March, and Belgium is in the middle of the pack.

It’s the same thing as us all hearing about the weather in NYC all the time. Michigan may be under three feet of snow, but we have to hear about the storm coming, hitting, and then the aftermath for days. If the people who decide what’s important live there then it’s important.

Yeah… I mean, it’s a big city and all, but the “national” morning shows harp on their weather to no end.

OK, Robin, OK, Lara… yeah, boo hoo, you had to get to work through snow.

Meanwhile thousands are without power in my area and schools are closed for the third day in a row due to subzero temps and a 30-40 mph winds. And I’m not even in a bad winter area.

The news is more educational when you realize all their stories are like that, not just the weather. How does it affect NYC is the number one concern most of the time, and then occasionally Boston, DC, and LA. I get more news from Youtube than I do Matt Lauer.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-who-shot-gabby-giffords-sues-her-for-distress/ar-BBqQnrQ?li=BBnbfcL

Le sigh…

I bet his issues now are caused by the water from teh waterboarding interfering with the chip they put in his head.

It will be dismissed rather quickly.

His lawyers will use this to appeal his conviction on grounds of insanity.

The county I currently live in seems to have a lot of news about shootings lately.

We have come to a point where a verdict can be ignored, evidence can disappear with the wave of a hand, and tit-for-tat keeps spiralling out of control.

More on Malheur

Okay, this isn’t so much about gun free zones as it is about complete stupidity.

Man loses leg shooting rifle at lawnmower packed with explosives

The gist is that a total moron ignores all the warnings on some explosives and ends up losing his leg.
While I don’t wish that sort of thing on anybody, I also have a problem finding any sympathy for him.

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Another gun free zone, another shooting.

Now, I am not advocating for people to conceal carry at 2 AM in a night club. But I think the club itself bears the burden of protection there. A shotgun behind the bar, a bouncer with a rifle in the back room, a safe room, anything.

And I will say one phrase I am really tired of hearing is “X” community, in this case LGBT community, like all these people live in the same neighborhood and have the same thoughts and needs.

And this wasn’t a religious shooting, and we brought his Imam to say why. The Imam who says he was quiet and kept to himself. The shooter’s coworker described him as a barely controlled bag of hate. I believe I’ve read to reports saying he had massive anger issues.

This is an actual example of what progressives say hate speech does. If you have enough people screaming kill the “XYZ” then eventually some bonehead is going to do it. You can’t say he did it for personal reasons if he says XYZ is why he did it.

Also, wow on the theories about the SWAT team taking down half the wounded/dead.

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I don’t know if it was nationwide, but the DFW NBC affiliate covered the Orlando ordeal for at least 12 hours straight from before 2am. The only reason I know is because they didn’t air the Formula 1 race, as scheduled. Bastards. Plus, the repetition was awful… we have nothing new to say, so we will repeat the same sound bites and video clips ad nauseam until you want to drive down to the station and strangle us.

Sorry if you’ve heard this before a million times, but hey America get some fucking gun restrictions already.

Gun Free Zones sound like they have as much enforcement as Alcohol Exclusion Zones here in the UK - that is, unless you’re actively throwing up half a bottle of Babycham over the Chief Superintendent (equivalent of a District Police Chief) then you don’t even get a telling off. It’s a stupid scheme. If you want less gun crime, have less guns. Heck, do what Switzerland does and make bullets prohibitively expensive so you can still polish, pose with and fellate your shotgun, uzi, or other such steel and iron absurdity without accidentally going on a rampage down the 7-11.

I know the Second Amendment says you have the right to bear arms to protect your home, and to form an organised militia, and to protect yourselves from an overpowerful government. But over in reality we solved these problems by inventing locks and criminal prosecution, police and security services, and hey, if you really think you can protect yourself from the government with a Kalashnikov, you’ve obviously never seen a video from a nuclear bomb test. The second amendment is outdated by more than a century, the issues it was designed to protect the people against have since been dealt with except one - protecting yourselves with guns against people with guns. Newsflash if you didn’t have guns, that wouldn’t be a fucking problem.

I’m sorry if I seem angry but despite being on the other side of the Atlantic these were people from my community who were killed, in cold blood, by a bigoted hate machine who shouldn’t even have been allowed near pencils let alone automatic rifles.

My two cents is I feel the first step should be to rationalize and enforce the existing before anything new is considered. My more cynical opinion is that any new laws would be pointless as they’d end up unfunded or heaped on overworked police and other law enforcement.

And, yeah, dealing with the mentally challenged before they get to the point of causing harm is probably a better use of resources than a lot of other things.

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There is no way to enforce a gun free zone without armed guards and a metal detector. I will guarantee you walk past at least one gun a day, even in GB.

Yes, if you think the problem is the gun and not the crime. OTOH, gasoline and a match in a crowded theater do just as good of a job, or some fertilizer, gasoline and some cans did pretty well for an elementary school.

We could be GB and half the police just watch a couple dudes saw a guys head off with a machete because the “specials” aren’t there yet. We could be China and have two or three dudes attack and kill or injure 140 with knives. Japan and have a school janitor poison an entire school. Are those somehow better because there wasn’t a knife?

I’m sure that club had cameras, an alarm, and there are police in Orlando. Didn’t help much.

I’m sure Vietnam, Afghanistan, and several other countries would argue that point, for decades. The British had advantages in numbers, experience, and equipment against the US a couple hundred years ago, they ran out of money and patience before we ran out of freedom fighters.

My daughter doesn’t carry a gun to protect herself against someone with a gun. She carries one to protect herself from someone three times her size with fists, or two people with knives, or to slow down a group of youths long enough to get to safety. I am 340 pounds, have some judo training and can pretty much intimidate most threats to my person, she’s 105 pounds, the only use police are to her are to get me to identify the body after her and her kids are dead.

Are you implying that no one gets mugged anywhere else in the world? No rapes, no dangerous neighborhoods at night? No home invasions?

And the shooter was a security guard, specially licensed to carry, he went through two FBI checks and additional federal checks to carry. This wasn’t a hate crime, this was a continuation of a religious war by what amounts to a sleeper agent.

And while you may feel a connection, these were my countrymen once again killed by someone who hates our way of life and I’m sick of people pretending they don’t notice why they were attacked. Them being gay was just the excuse, it’s jihad. I’ll also note that of the two gay bars in Orlando, the other one has a large percentage of Pink Pistol members and was left alone, maybe coincidence, maybe not.

More people are killed in America with hammers than rifles. And as long as the government keeps soft pedaling enforcement laws won’t matter anyway. I’ve said it before, I can walk into a hardware store and walk out 10 minutes later with 90% of a machine gun.

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He’d also been investigated by the FBI twice for possible ties to terrorist groups.

Even if Mateen were still on the terrorist watch list — known as the Terrorist Screening Database — the designation would not have precluded him from buying the semiautomatic pistol and assault-style rifle that he used in Sunday’s massacre.

Yeah, that sounds like a big bag of fail on the part of the government if you can be on a terrorist watch list and still allowed to purchase weapons.

I want to be clear that this is in no way directed at you @Woodman, since I rather like you and we agree on a great many things. On this however, I see your argument as flawed.

Less guns, less gun crime. It is actually that simple. We have such strict restrictions here that we’ve had one mass shooting in the past 25 years, and that was also a disturbed individual who had a license. The fact that we simply have less of them means that there’s less access. The fact that we have prohibitively high prices for ammunition means there’s less access. The fact that we have have ridiculously strict gun training for civilians means there’s less access. So yeah, less guns, less gun crime. And yeah you could argue that it’s easy to sneak them across the borders, but it’s easy here too; we live on an island with no walls, fences, anything to stop you crossing the North Sea in a boat full to the brim with machine guns. This doesn’t happen… why? Because our neighbours use gun control too.

One man with a machete killed a trained military operative. And yes, as sad as this sentence is to say I would rather one man killed by machete and the killer arrested than fifty people killed by machine gun.

If your private security firms didn’t have guns, this wouldn’t have been a problem.

Vietnam was a disaster for everyone. Afghanistan is even worse. Pointing out other countries with gun problems doesn’t nullify your own problem.

That is actually depressing to read. It shows the problems that America faces. No, it’s not religion, it’s not terrorism, it’s your domestic crime that needs sorting out. If you have neighbourhoods that are as bad as we see a lot on television then it’s not guns you need to protect yourselves, it’s a massive welfare, education, and opportunity shift. You get violent crime when you get segregation, when you get xenophobia, when you get disparity on a whole number of levels that Europe has been struggling with for more than a century, and America seems to have just ignored.

Of course not. But they’re less violent. A rape is a terrifying attack on a person, but rape at gunpoint is worse. Not only are you in anguish and humiliated to the nth degree, but you’ve got the additional threat of immediate death. Dangerous neighbourhoods here usually stem from bored individuals in poor areas, with poor education and low job prospects - we’ve had great success since the 1980s reducing the number of such neighbourhoods simply through education, parks and youth clubs, council-funded sports buildings, even sponsored ‘clean ups’. A lot of these people have or had drug problems, and we deal with it not by prosecution but with medical assistance. And you know what? It’s slow, but it works.

Again, this wouldn’t be an issue if you got rid of guns. Group4 here are only allowed to carry mace. They aren’t even allowed cable ties to use as makeshift handcuffs. They’re also universally despised, and pretty much have lost all their contracts because they keep pushing for permission for tasers.

I refuse to accept that. News outlets here have been reporting that not only was he a non-practising Muslim, but that the only link to ISIS right now is that ISIS themselves claimed to have told him to do it. That’s like someone blowing themselves up accidentally in a field and then ISIS saying that they planted the landmine there back in 1987. It’s bollocks.

And any person, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, white, black, asian, can buy the parts in Homebase to build a pretty substantial bomb. And yet nobody has. Why? We don’t need to. Why? Because nobody is threatening us. Why? Because we recognised a problem while it was early enough to deal with it. Why? Because that was the right thing to do.


Again, I’m not making this personal. Your argument is your own - but I cannot agree with it I’m afraid.

Edited to add: The BBC and Channel Four are both saying that he was a non-pracisting Muslim. ITV, Sky and other affiliated News Corp stations seem to be frothing at the mouth about some mad ISIS plot to eradicate America as a whole, starting with the Latino trans night at a bar in Orlando. Of course :rolling_eyes: