Never to forgive… never to forget…
I remember Has and Weaver. I do go back that far, I just have a gap in service in the middle.
CWX is just a pessimistic viewer of humanity and I’m an optimist.
What he’s known for. I don’t have anything else to add, 8 years later.
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I wonder about Jawa probably at least once every week or two. I have so many mixed feelings.
On one hand, I’m in total agreement with @sig—he was a guy we thought we all cared deeply about. And even knowing that he lied about so many things, I still care about him. I don’t regret donating money to him for his recovery; I don’t regret hanging out with him that one time in Dallas with @Force10 and @ElGee; I don’t regret the time he was in my life at all.
I do look back with no small amount of anxiety about the two times he slept in my house and the fact that he knows where I live, even though I also feel shame about feeling anxious. I don’t think Jawa would have hurt Laura or me.
Most of all, I wish him well and I hope he is able to find what he needs. I genuinely liked the guy, and I want him to be okay.
That’s a period I missed here. I knew Jawa from the board and he was one of the people that was just gone when I came back. Jawa, Idlewild, Loulou, a couple others. I assumed they just faded away like I did.
I think sometimes some people are just broken and try to fill the broken spot with other people’s feelings.
Actually, I am an idealist.
Think about what your ideals are. Then think of those ideals constantly thrown in the gutter and trampled on. Think of them being raped, spindled and mutilated. Think of them being held up, broken and bleeding, to be ridiculed as some kind of naive, misogynistic, patriarchal, progressive, socialist (etc., etc.) model of What Is Wrong With Everything You Believe In, and The Thing That Is Destroying Humanity (it’s easy to blame the victim).
Watching my ideals constantly violated and derided hurts. It hurts at a deep, spiritual level. And after a while, even if one is able to hold onto those ideals, one expects to see those ideals further abused further.
As far as your optimism, @Woodman, I have one word for you: Obama.
I’m not interested in a flame war. There’s nothing to be achieved with a flame war except hurting others. What I am interested is for everyone to be able to express their viewpoint, and to acknowledge that other people’s viewpoints do, in fact, contain kernels of truth, or at least may represent something outside our previous experience (just because you haven’t experienced it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen - I know plenty of people who have never jumped rope).
Oh, and on the subject of Jawa, I’d liek to remind everyone of when he jumped my case about what I said about Westboro, by declaring that no “real” soldier wanted gays in the military because they didn’t want to have gay guys checking them out in the shower. That went on for a week.
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CWX is just a pessimistic viewer of humanity
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Actually, I am an idealist.
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(followed by a pessimistic mini-rant)
You are still a pessimist. They’re not mutually exclusive. You may be an idealist, too, or maybe wish you were, but you rarely fail to have something negative to say.
Also, please stop trying to make everything political. It just isn’t necessary. When you say things that make it look like you’re trying to start shit, it makes it hard to believe that you’re “not interested in a flame war.”
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Please stop stating your opinions as fact, especially when assigning a label to me.
What you ascribe to pessimism is actually frustration. When something good happens, I don’t need to gush about it. Feeling good about it is just fine for me.
But when something negative happens, I want to fix it. Often, that is not possible, or at least outside my ability. So yes, I may vent my frustration. That does not make me a pessimist.
There are others here that routinely post on the WYWYCS threads and rarely (if ever) on the WMYHT or WYNS threads.
Donkey rides are no longer free, @Roadrunner, so stop riding my a$$.
/makes popcorn
I will say that that used to be my opinion, back before A) I knew any gay people (Or at least knew that I knew gay people) B) made it through puberty C) joined the military. So I apologize for that uninformed opinion I had 25 years ago.
Anyone who was in the Army Infantry should have known better, because there have always been gay people in the military, and people have always known they were there. And were they actively gay, or effeminate, or just liked looking at dudes? I don’t know, and nor do I care. I know they didn’t participate when we talked about having sex with each other, so that was awkward.
And God hates Westboro Church.
I was optimistic. After McCain the Stupid lost I was optimistic that he really meant what he said and was going to create a post political world where we would be the good guys and set examples for the world in how to run a genuine benevolent transparent society. I hoped that with a mixed racial president we could move one from blaming everything on racism and start fixing things. I hoped a lot of things, and I took him at his word, since I had no choice I was looking on the bright side.
He had two years of a united Democrat congress and house, and he wasted them on a disaster that most people didn’t want. The New Black Panther voter intimidation case and Fast and Furious rolled right up and popped that bubble…
I am sensing the beginnings of personal attacks here… Let’s keep the passion to the topic(s) being discussed, please.
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I started off this thread with a story about the Australian rugby team and how some of them got drunk and were stood down from one test because of it. In itself that wouldn’t be worth posting, but the response from the players was so immature I wanted to comment on it (basically they threw a tantrum and complained that there weren’t any “team guidelines” about getting drunk before a test and that they shouldn’t be punished for it).
Compare that response with a New Zealand player who did something very similar this week.
Aaron Cruden got drunk in the weekend and missed the team flight check-in. He got stood down for at least two games and may possibly face further sanctions as well. There are no team guidelines about going and getting drunk, the coach says the team are adults and he expects them to act that way (that’s unusual in itself these days).
Aaron Cruden’s response?
‘‘I accept full responsibility for my actions and the penalty of missing the next two games, and will work with New Zealand rugby to undertake any other disciplinary action to work through this situation.’’
Also:
'I am deeply embarrassed by this lack of judgement and have never been more disappointed in myself. I have not only let myself down, but most importantly, I have let the team down."
And:
''I have no excuses"
And:
''I carry the burden of shame and disappointment and I am deeply apologetic to my team, to my family, and also the New Zealand rugby public."
I realise that missing a flight is a lot more serious than getting drunk before a test, but still the contrast in attitude is absolutely enormous. I have probably gained a bit of respect for Cruden out of this incident rather than lost it. He messed up, but he owned up to that and apologised. I really can’t see him messing up like that again.
The Australians on the other hand …
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Is this even legal?
On a more serious note, I applaud Cruden’s very adept apology. I get tired of hearing people say “I’m sorry”, thinking that is an apology.
Pat McAffee was pretty up front about his screw up years ago when he ended up skinny dipping in a canal.
And then he wrote a great article about how screwed up the NFL substance abuse program is. He did dozens of piss tests in the two years in the program, always had to be within 24 hours of somewhere official to take one, and they were testing for drugs. On someone who had a problem with alcohol, and apparently didn’t drink the whole time he was on probation with the NFL. He also had to attend all kinds of meetings and some really odd stuff.
It’s a one size fits all solution that doesn’t appear to actually fit anyone, and has no idea what to do if the person involved actually does decide to change their life and fix themselves. It’s made to force people to comply that don’t want to.
There are very few programs of any kind for those who want to improve their lives. There are quite a few that will punish people like that, however.
shrug. Then again, the reason we have so many nanny-rules is because there are a lot of people out there that need a full-time nanny watching over them.
I no longer worry about Big Brother. I am very suspicious of Nanny Dearest, however.
Well, there are a lot of people thinking they can tell other people how to act. I’m not sure all of them need to be nannied.
These programs are in place because the players union told the owners they couldn’t fire people for doing drugs, at least not the first time. So they made up these bullshit requirements, with the lawyers from each side making the system more and more complex and totally losing sight of what they were trying to do. The owners wanted to be removed from blame, and the players wanted to keep their jobs. So this dog and pony show is created.
The programs are in place because the players were doing drugs.
Fncking Fantastic. Hollywood has decided to make a movie about one of those “Satanic scare” con men.
http://theweek.com/article/index/264245/the-real-story-behind-deliver-us-from-evil
Which means we get to look forward to yet another round, as more self-proclaimed experts try to cash in. We went through this in the late eighties and the early nineties, and all the backlash due to this crap… There was an upswing in religious intolerance, accusations and witch-hunts, and a lot of kids went through hell because of it.
That’s what we really need right now, isn’t it?
Well, seeing as the bogeymen from reality can’t be transferred as easily into fiction (Osama being all dead and all other baddies gets bombed by the swarm of drones, ISIS don’t really have a face), I guess it is time to jump into the moneyhole with what is known to work.