Whatever, Jon is the one who brought dogs into this. He compares polyandry to dogs, I compare dogs to polyandry, and I’m the one who is comparing the wrong thing?
The thing about this is that sometimes we come across as being on opposite sides on this discussion. And we’re not. If we were the opposite sides gay marriage would be legal today. Or, if we were the opposite sides 30 years ago, every one would get married by a priest and then get a civil union contract from the courthouse.
The real opposite sides are the people on one side running pro gay organizations pulling in 6 or 7 figures a year lobbying and “fighting” for gay rights and equality against the dude running the family values organizations also making 6 or 7 figures a year “fighting” against gay marriage. And both those people likely belong to the same golf club. And regardless of their sexual orientation, they’re all fucking everyone.
Seriously, he’s the one that made the comment about dogs getting the vote. What I said was a direct response to that. If anyone is comparing same sex marriage to bestiality I guess it’s him.
To which I said.
And then you said.
How is this a rebuttal?
In the current environment there are people demanding further expansion of the definition of marriage beyond gay marriage, a word that is already not defined anywhere but in laws mostly determined to be unconstitutional. If we continue to allow the courts to redefine the definition to fit the current environment then at what point does the word not really have a definition beyond “contract”?
And if you are OK with marriage just being a legal contract, why the fuck did we just go through the last 40 years?
Stewart was referencing the typical “slippery slope” argument about how if gays are allowed to redefine marriage, then people will want the “special rights” to marry their dog. This argument has been, like I said, going on since before DOMA.
Your rebuttal was that when women were fighting for the right to vote, there weren’t any dogs demanding the right to vote.
Then I noted that I didn’t know of anyone demanding to marry their dogs either. Yet it is still an argument used against gay marriage.
As far as opposite sides, there are a few different groups tugging back and forth. You have the “equal rights” and “equal protection” groups, the “personal liberty” folks, the “my family is just as good as your family”, the “my marriage is more stable than your marriage” folks, etc. You also have the “states’ rights”, the “if the government does it, it’s wrong”, the “we already have equality so you don’t need it”, the “free market forces”, the “my religion is the only right one, so everybody has to follow my rules”, the “that word isn’t in the Constitution so it doesn’t exist”, the “I’m afraid that other people are enjoying sex more than I am”… the list goes on.
And sometimes you have people of one of those groups who have members on both sides of the argument.
Incidentally, I talked to an African American friend yesterday and asked him if he knew where this “homosexuality is a conspiracy by whites to denigrate and emasculate black men” argument comes from and he told me that he has no clue and that he is sick of hearing it. When I told him some of the people who have been using that argument for the past twelve years, he was surprised… and still was disgusted.
Why are we having this argument? Because too many people insist that if the word “gay” isn’t in the Constitution, then gays can’t expect protection or privileges within our laws. And too many people think that the majority will automatically approve of any civil rights being extended to a “worthy” minority - and if they don’t, then the minority isn’t worthy.
Half the black people I know are bone certain that all gay people were molested as children and can’t help the way they are… Totally normal people in all other aspects from what I can tell, but totally fucked up that way.
It’s just like how I used to know people that were totally sane, but knew no other phrase for black people than the (I hate the euphemism as much as the word itself, it’s stupid that there is a word that I can’t even bring myself to say, wait, two words, the other starts with a C) N-word.
The committee hearing also drew testimony from many supporters of the
bill, some of whom compared same-sex marriage to bestiality and said
forcing pastors to perform same-sex marriages is “bigoted.”
(emphasis mine)
Don’t know many stupid neurosurgeons. And I like some shit he says, at this point he has no real platform and is wobbly on the 2nd amendment. It’s looking like Paul or Rubio for me at this point, though Rubio is flakey on immigration and Paul is sometimes just flakey, especially on foreign policy. Walker makes progressives mad, and punches back, I like that. And Carly is pretty damn sharp, but again doesn’t have a real platform. I think Ben and Carly are auditioning for VP.
I was talking about Fuckabee. The dipshit prom queen. Bush can go home, please. Santorum needs to just go away. I don’t want a social conservative as president. I’m not sure who does.
But damn near any of them would be better than Clinton part deaux: the scandal continues. I think I might vote for Sanders before Clinton. Not sure about Warren.
You mean the neurosurgeon who says that being gay is a choice, because nobody goes into prison gay?
Paul is one mic-check from oblivion; all he has to do is start spouting off his conspiracy theories at the wrong moment and he’ll be deader than Kucinich. I know conservatives in Wisconsin who can’t stand Walker due to what he has done to the state. Unlike Bush v2, Carly actually made a business work, for a little while, but there are enough skeletons in that closet to make a fleet of pianos.
I can see the GOP floating Carson as a VP, just to prove something. Carly, not so much. But I am waiting to see who the Quayle/Palin is going to be this time around.
But every one of them fails my personal litmus test: I wouldn’t trust any of them enough to let them sleep on my couch.
Al Franken, dubious election recounts and convicted felons are the only reason he’s in office.And his contribution to the ACA is one of the poison pills that will kill it. The Medical Loss Ratio portion of the ACA is a disaster, and frankly if insurance companies could predict things that well they’d cut their numbers even more. Despite what people think, insurance costs are a race to the bottom when there is competition. If Anthem knew how to cut their risk they’d do it in a minute, a 5% savings can move millions in business.
Elizabeth Warren lied about her race to get preferential treatment, then lied again when called on it. Is so racist believes that having high cheekbones is enough to claim Indian heritage and apparently suffer from prejudice.
Jessie Ventura would be an interesting dude to party with, but I don’t think I’d want him in my house. I’d wake up with no tin foil in the kitchen.
Anyone that can rise to a position high enough to be noticed for president already has so many ties on them there is no knowing what really motivates them or what direction they are going to jump.
I saw one ages ago, “Save the Whales, Nuke the Ragheads”
Not sure if nuking the rag heads is supposed to save the whales on its own of if they are unrelated.
It would be nice if we could put all the power limitations back into place in the government. Repeal the 17th, roll back the bureaucracy, push the federal courts into shape, make the states more independent, de nationalize the national guard. But it won’t happen until it all collapses under its own weight, which I think is farther away than a lot of people suspect.
That was back in the dawn of time, when the Chronicles of George was a new thing. I hired on in December 2000, left immediately after September 11, 2001, for a job in Port Ludlow, WA.